Aragonte - Sob 20 Mar, 2010 19:24 Były jeszcze lepsze, ale ich nie zachowałam. Tak czy siak, poprawiły mi humor 
Aragonte - Nie 21 Mar, 2010 19:51 Jakby kogoś interesowały obcojęzyczne fora... 
http://forum.gateworld.net/forums/89-Babylon-5 Admete - Nie 21 Mar, 2010 20:16 Znaczy o mnie mówisz
Aragonte - Nie 21 Mar, 2010 20:24 Ano
Właśnie podczytuję to forum i zastanawiam się, czy jest sens się rejestrować, skoro pewnie nie starczy mi odwagi na napisanie czegokolwiek 
Edit: Paru dyskutantów wyliczając ulubione postaci nawiązuje do śmierci aktora grającego Zathrasa, wyliczają pozostałych, którzy niestety już zmarli, i kończą to puentą: May they walk in a place where no shadows fall... Ładne nawiązanie do B5... Prawie się wzruszyłam
Admete - Nie 21 Mar, 2010 20:26 Mnie wystarczy czytanie. Aragonte - Nie 21 Mar, 2010 21:28 Z zabawnych dialogów pożyczonych na podlinkowanym forum  (mam nadzieję, że się nie powtarzają, tzn. że nie wklejałam ich wcześniej).
Lennier: What are you drinking? Vir: I believe it's called a Shirley Temple... Lennier: Curious... I have studied many Earth religions but I have never heard of such a temple. I'll be sure to see it on my next visit. Lennier: What is the meaning of "woo hoo?" *Londo, on a table, shakes a finger at Delenn* "Have I ever told you that you are very cute for a Minbari?" *gestures at Garibaldi* "You're cute too! In an annoying sort of way... Everybody's cute! Everybody's cute! Even I am cute... But in purple... I am stunning!" *collapses on table* "I apologize. I'm ... sorry.... I'm sorry we had to defend ourselves against an unwarranted attack. I'm sorry that your crew was stupid enough to fire on a station filled with a quarter million civilians, including your own people. And I'm sorry I waited as long as I did before I blew them all straight to hell. .. As with everything else, it's the thought that counts?" Vir and Lennier meet in a bar: "You couldn't sleep either." "No. I heard about your .. situation." "I heard about yours. As Mr. Garibaldi would say, it's been one hell of a day." "Yes, a hell of a day." "And a hell of a year." "A hell of a 5 years." "A hell of a life." ".. You win." Londo: There, you see! I'm going to live. G'Kar: So it would seem. Well, it's an imperfect universe. Londo: *******. G'Kar: Monster. Londo: Fanatic. G'Kar: Murderer. Londo: You are insane! G'Kar: And that is why we'll win. Londo: 'Go be the ambassador to Babylon 5' they say. 'Will be an easy assignment.' Ah, I hate my life. G'Kar: So do I. Londo: Shut up! [Doctor Franklin hands Ivanova a long printout with her "food plan" diet] Ivanova: I'll gain weight! Dr. Franklin: At first, yes. Ivanova: Fine! All my life I've fought against imperialism; now I'm the expanding Russian frontier! Dr. Franklin: Yes, but with very nice borders. [Delenn eplains how they need to 'steal' Babylon 4 in order to save Babylon 5] Sheridan: So you believe this? Sinclair: I believe it. Marcus: If Entil'Zha believes it, I believe it. Ivanova: I'll be in the car. I liked the surreality near the end of "No Compromises" culminating in Sheridan's swearing in: "You want to be President?" "Yes!" "Put your hand on the book and say 'I do.'" "I do." "Fine. Done. Let's eat." Centauri Minister: Is that why you brought it [G'Kar] along? Londo Mollari: No, he is still here as my bodyguard, that's all. Where I go, he goes. Centauri Minister: My condolences. G'Kar: Thank you. It's a burden, but I've come to accept it. "I spy with my little eye somethign beginnning with B" "Boxes." "I spy with my little eye something beginning with M" "More boxes." "I spy with my little eye something beginning with E" "Even more boxes!" "And that your honour, is when I shot him" Admete - Pon 22 Mar, 2010 06:40 I jak tu nie kochać B5? Całej załogi?
Aragonte - Pon 22 Mar, 2010 20:32 Odpowiem absolutnie subiektywnie i stronniczo: nie można
Podczytuję sobie tamto forum o B5 - jaki fajny mają wątek z babylonowymi skojarzeniami, Admete 
Admete - Pon 22 Mar, 2010 20:35
Który, który?
Aragonte - Pon 22 Mar, 2010 20:37
Ten: http://forum.gateworld.ne...tion-Game/page6 Rzucają cytatami i skojarzeniami na wyrywki, jestem pod wrażeniem
Admete - Pon 22 Mar, 2010 20:41 No faktycznie  W wakacje ogladam jeszcze raz B5
Aragonte - Pon 22 Mar, 2010 20:48 Admete, rozgryźli (chyba) wypowiedź tych Pierwszych z Sigma 957
"Vorlon tavutna chog! ("Vorlons can kiss my _ _ _!") W napisach tego na pewno nie było, zapamiętałabym
Admete - Pon 22 Mar, 2010 21:03 To jest całkiem sensowne tłumaczenie
Aragonte - Pon 22 Mar, 2010 21:28 Też tak myślę
Dodam jeszcze tylko, że w wątku z grą w wybór ulubionego bohatera wygrywa jak na razie bezapelacyjnie G'Kar
I jeszcze taki długi cytat - w sumie to już gadałyśmy o skojarzeniach Tolkienowskich, tutaj są zebrane w większej masie
"Several elements in B5 seem a lot like elements in J. R. R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings. For instance, in The Fellowship of the Ring, the Dark Riders first appear singly, then in progressively larger groups; B5 repeated this tension-building pattern early in its first season, when enemy forces known as the Shadows appear first singly, and then in vast numbers. Additionally, the Shadows, like the Dark Riders, strike a deep primal fear in everyone who sees them. The way the Shadows are spoken of, as the Darkness and the Enemy is reminiscent of how Sauron is spoken of in the Lord of the Rings. The most obvious LOTR reference is the Rangers, who share a name and a mission with the Rangers of Lord of the Rings. Both are secretive orders that work covertly to protect a populace that is either unaware or openly hostile to them, and both are led by individuals of mixed race – Aragorn, who had blood of Men, Elves, and Valar, and the half-human, half-Minbari Delenn. Just as the marriage of Aragorn and Arwen reunited the Humans and Elves, whose blood flowed through them both, the marriage of John Sheriden and Delenn reunited the Humans and Minbari, who shared each other's souls. The code of the Rangers, as stated by Marcus Cole in the episode "Grey 17 is Missing", is: "We walk in the dark places that no one else will enter. We stand on the bridge, and no one may pass." This is reminiscent of two scenes from Lord of the Rings. The first is Aragorn's description of his Rangers during the Council of Elrond in The Fellowship of the Ring: "Lonely men are we, Rangers of the North, hunters - but hunters ever of the servants of the Enemy"; and the second is Gandalf's confrontation with the Balrog over the abyss in Moria, in particular his cry of "You shall not pass!" before he shatters the bridge. Furthermore, Gandalf has previously been warned (by Aragorn, no less) that he will die if he enters Moria (also known as Khazad-dûm); in B5, captain John Sheridan is warned that he will die if he goes to a planet called Z'ha'dum. Both men sacrifice themselves, fall into an abyss, and return in an altered form to unite the forces of good against the forces of evil. Kosh could also be compared to Gandalf, in that both are powerful beings who help gather the forces of Light together and act as a mentor towards the main hero, Sheridan and Aragorn. Both also die in their duties, and both return, though Kosh's return was brief. Also, B5 takes place at "the dawn of the third age", and the defeat of Sauron in Lord of the Rings is considered to be the ending event of the third age of Middle-earth. The third season of Babylon 5, the Shadow War, is depicted less as a typical science-fiction war than as a conflict between Darkness and Light comparable to the War of the Ring. The Shadows, like Sauron, were defeated before, but over time regained their strength and returned to start a new war. The First Ones were leaving the Galaxy to out beyond the Rim, just as the Elves were leaving Middle-Earth to go to Valinor. After the Shadow War, all the First Ones leave for beyond the Rim. Likewise, after the War of the Ring, the Elves leave for Valinor. Both universes have difficulty getting all the various races to work together to stop the Enemy, since many of these races are suspicious and distrustful of one another. Aragorn, like Sheridan, was in exile from his rightful home in Gondor and was hated by the Steward Denethor who feared for his position if Aragorn returned. Sheidan, comparitively, had to breakway from Earth and was declared a traitor by President Clark. Both Denethor and Clark were corrupt and power-hungry and both ended up committed suicide when it seemed that their power was lost. The Shadows, like Sauron, also have many servants and races working for them, that they summoned when they prepared to make war again. Both also infiltrated and influenced other rulers and nations, through Emperor Cartagia, President Clark, just as Sauron worked through Saruman and other forces of evil. The Shadow's Mr. Morden is their smooth-tongue advocate, just as Grima "Wormtongue" was in Rohan for Saruman. Additionally, the Shadows use living beings as the central operating system of their warships. This theme of domination and alteration if similar to Sauron's desire to dominate life in Middle-Earth and bend all to his will. A similar theme is the different levels of civilizations in both Babylon 5 and the Lord of the Rings. The Minbari stand technologically and culturally above the other Younger Races, much as the Elves are set above the other races of Middle-Earth. Delenn's role is not dissimilar from Arwen's. Also, the Centauri and the Narns stand at different technological levels, just as Gondor and Rohan do in the LOTR. Gondor itself is described in Roman-like terms, whereas Rohan is more Anglo-Saxon. Gondor and the Centauri Republic are soldier states, whereas Rohan and the Narn Regime are more warrior-oriented. The former are older civilizations and the latter are younger civilizations, still imbibed with a spirit of dashing, even reckless, bravery and warrior heritage that is lacking in the former. The name Narns might be derived either from C. S. Lewis's The Chronicles of Narnia, or from Tolkien's Narn i Hîn Húrin in The Silmarillion which was itself almost certainly the inspiration for the name Narnia. The name of Tolkien's heart of elvendom, "Lórien" (or "Lothlorien") is given to the first of the First Ones in B5. (See "Lorien") The name of the Shadows' agent, Mr. Morden, may also reflect Tolkien's Mordor. The similar nature of the names Khazad-dûm and Z'ha'dum has been noted earlier. The creator of B5, J. Michael Straczynski (JMS), acknowledges Tolkien when a "techno-mage" loosely quotes The Fellowship of the Ring, where the character Gildor Inglorion says, "Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." JMS has stated that people misunderstand the similarities between the two different stories. He often says that B5 is "greatly informed by" but "is not" any particular preceding work of fiction or history. " Admete - Pon 22 Mar, 2010 21:52
Celowo oczywiście, Straczynski odrobił lekcje
Nawiązania do Aragorna i Arweny - oczywiste. I cała reszta - ktoś to pięknie zebrał w całość
Cóż Sheridan - Aragorna, mam przynajmniej uzasadnienie dla mojej sympatii
Aragonte - Pon 22 Mar, 2010 22:06 Też lubię Sheridana, ale podczas czytania książek i oglądania filmów zazwyczaj wyławiam bohaterów w dalszego planu, a nie Bohatera nr 1. Po części stąd moja marcusomania
Admete - Pon 22 Mar, 2010 22:12 Marcusa tez kocham Zawsze było "Och Marcus" Ale wiesz, że ja muszę mieć tych zbawców wszechświata
Aragonte - Pon 22 Mar, 2010 22:22 Zbawcy są potrzebni, bezapelacyjnie, ale rzadko się w nich kocham
Cholera - że też Claudia Christiansen nie umiała się zdecydować i zwodziła JMS aż tak długo w sprawie swego udziału w piątym sezonie  Mam dziwne wrażenie, że to przez jej kombinacje Straczyński postanowił tak ostatecznie poprowadzić wątek Marcusa. No, pewnie wpłynęło też to, że nie było pewności, czy ten piąty sezon będzie 
Admete - Pon 22 Mar, 2010 22:32 Nie wiemy, jak pierwotnie miała się potoczyć ta historia. Aragonte - Pon 22 Mar, 2010 22:37 Jeszcze jeden wątek mnie rozbawił
"You Know You Watch Too Much Babylon 5 When... ...you call grape tomatoes "little red fruits." ...you believe that there's a Babylon 5 quote for everything. ...you tap the back of your hand when you hear the phone ring. ...everytime you see Chekov on Star Trek, you think he's Bester. ...you get creeped out when a waitor at a restaurant asks you "What do you want?" ...you become deathly afraid of walking in the sunlight because you don't want to encounter any "shadows" ...whenever somebody leaves, you get the urge to (and probably do) say: "If you go to Z'Ha'Dum...you will die." ..you have an insatiable craving for Spoo. ... You get angry when people answer "Who are you?" with a name/occupation/rank etc. ...whenever you feel someone is being ignorant, you have to urge to say "There is a hole in you mind" ...you search for the book of G'Kar as a real religeous icon. ...you're only response is 'yes' whenever someone asks you a question. ...you try to kill spiders with your mind cuz they remind you of Shadows (shape wise) ...you have a headache and wonder when you passed throught sector 14. ...when somebody asks "Where did you come from?" You say "I have always been here." ...you can correctly spell and pronounce JMS's last name. (Haha!!! Admete, dla nas to prościzna Znaczy się, jesteśmy fankami B5 z urodzenia  )
...You own at least one completely transparent quartz crystal and seriously consider how to make a computer access port for it. ...you want a whitestar (damn i love those ships personally) ...You buy or receive new clothes and tell yourself in the mirror " But in Purple I Am Stunning!" ...When you refer to someone who wakes you up as a moon faced assassin of joy. ...When you know another person who's last name is Mordan, who said something rude to you and you replied "I would like to live just long enough to be there on the day when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike, as a warning to the next ten generations that being mean to people is not very nice (ok... so I changed it a little.) I want to look up into your lifeless eyes and wave... just like this." Aragonte - Pon 22 Mar, 2010 22:40
Myślę, że sam JMS tego nie wiedział i tak naprawdę wymyślił ten wątek podczas realizacji III sezonu To w końcu wątek drugoplanowy, a pamiętasz chyba, jak ewoluowały perypetie Sinclaira/Delenn/Sheridana?
Straczyński pisał to przynajmniej w części na bieżąco, wątpię, aby miał opracowane wszystkie szczegóły życia uczuciowego wszystkich bohaterów, mimo że miał w głowie - i na papierze - zasadnicze wątki. Admete - Wto 23 Mar, 2010 12:24 Zgadzam się - pewne rzeczy musiały mu wychodzić w trakcie, jako reakcja na opinie fanów, na to jak aktorzy sobie radzili z rolą. Aragonte - Wto 23 Mar, 2010 12:44 Dla mnie ewolucja jest także chociażby w sposobie ukazania postaci Marcusa - ten z Matters of Honor jest jednak w konwencji całkowicie serio, taki rycerz Potem ta konwencja zostaje złamana humorem (no i dobrze).
Admete - Wto 23 Mar, 2010 13:11
To o mnie
Juz na zawsze będzie mi się kojarzyć z B5
Nawet dodajemy zgubione "ń"
Chcę
Aragonte - Wto 23 Mar, 2010 13:16 Wiedziałam, że się w tym odnajdziesz
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