Anaru - Nie 28 Mar, 2010 09:01
Obecnie http://www.ladystoy.republika.pl/main.html http://www.joemonster.org...ty_dla_mezczyzn dawniej http://picasaweb.google.c...-zY3KNiCPyY4S2w Nie żal Wam pana T.? 
Te to nie wiem z jakich czasów
http://babka99.wrzuta.pl/obraz/9MaQNZPCelA/onan2 spin_girl - Nie 28 Mar, 2010 17:18 Zaciekawił mnie opis obok tego pasa: "Mężczyźni rodzą się z wewnętrzną żądzą siły i fantazji. Siłą sprawczą ich działania jest Sex, więc zrobią oni wszystko to co doprowadzi ich do zaspokojenia tej żądzy. Często uciekają do swoich małych światów fantazji i onanizują się przy kazdej okazji, w samochodzie, kiedy jadą do pracy, pod prysznicem, podczas spaceru. Badania wkazały, że mężczyzna myśli o seksie co 12 minut i onanizuje siędwa trzy razy dziennie. ....Ta siła jest tak wielka, że mężczyzna nie może się jej przeciwstawić..." Same widzicie - co 12 minut!!!!!! Sofijufka - Nie 28 Mar, 2010 17:31 wiesz, jak to ze statystyka... Jak ja nie kradne wcale, a ktoś kradnie 4 razy w tygodniu, to statystycznie kradniemy 2 razy na tydzień spin_girl - Nie 28 Mar, 2010 17:41 Chcesz powiedzieć, że Thornton nie myślał o seksie wcale? Sądzę, że to jest niewykolanle. Co 12 minut czyli kilkadziesiąt (? - jestem słaba z matematyki) razy na dobę. To dużo. Niech nawet będzie superwstrzemięźliwy i myśli połowę. To dalej dużo. Co 12 (albo już nawet co 24, jeśli myśli połowę bo taki superwstrzemięźliwy jest) minut jego myśli wędrują do zakazanego tematu. Idzie sobie wzdłuż taśmy produkcyjnej, oblicza zamówienie, a tu bach! oko jego pada na prządkę a myśl już biegnie w zakazanym kierunku i kreuje obrazy prządki w akcji na belach bawełny. Siedzi w kantorku, robi bilans a tu bach! napada go fantazja i musi przerwać bilans. Prowadzi rozmowę z kontrahentami a tu bach! spojrzene się rozmywa, myśl ucieka i tylko jedno mu w głowie....Przecież to jest nieekonomiczne. Lepiej wyskoczyć na godzinkę do Wesołej Sally, załatwić sprawę i spokojnie skupić się na interesach. Albo jeszcze gorzej- siedzi z mamusią przy obiedzie a tu bach! 
Calipso - Nie 28 Mar, 2010 20:23
Już widzę Panią Thornton gdy domyśla się co znaczy bach!
kazika - Pon 29 Mar, 2010 07:53 no proszę... już JT nie ma co do roboty tylko wyskakiwać co rusz na małe co nieco... na razie nie mogę znaleźć cytatu ale jak przeczytam jeszcze raz to wrzucę, JT był bardzo oszczędny, żeby nie powiedzieć chytry... więc jakoś go nie widzę chociażby z tej przyczyny w płatnym przybytku rozkoszy... BeeMeR - Pon 29 Mar, 2010 10:10
 Toż on był oszczędny, nie wyda wszystkiego od razu
I ja przypominam, że to zupełnie nie są dywagacje co kto by chciał, ale co kto o Jasiu myśli - na podstawie książki widzę jak Jaś marnieje z dala Małgosi, pewnie, że by mu ulżyło, gdyby spotkał Wesołą Sally, ale jakoś nie widzę, żeby Gaskellowski John tam się udawał 
Hough!
spin_girl - Pon 29 Mar, 2010 10:41
Nie zgadzam się z tym stwierdzeniem. John wcale nie był chytry - matce kupił piękny dom i na urządzenie nie szczędził, siostra przepuszczała fortunę na wyprawę i to była fortuna brata. Sam John płacił niemałe pieniądze, żeby czytać Platona z panem Hale. Sądzę więc, że i na Wesołą Sally miał, zwłaszcza, jeśli brak wizyty u niej miałby przeszkadzać mu w skupieniu się na interesach. kazika - Pon 29 Mar, 2010 13:26 miał powóz a na konie przyżydził.... wolał najmować bo taniej... spin_girl - Pon 29 Mar, 2010 19:14 Dalej wygrywam trzy do jednego na argumenty
kazika - Pon 29 Mar, 2010 20:05 a w co grasz???  bo JT i tak jest dziewica:)
spin_girl - Pon 29 Mar, 2010 20:08 Oglądam właśnie N&S, pierwsze spotkanie Johna i Margaret w domu Hale'ów, Margaret wytyka Johnowi pobicie Stevensa a on jej odpowiada: "I've got a bit of a temper and I must act on it" - wynika jednoznacznie z tego, że ulega impulsom i nie zawsze ta samokontrola się włącza
kazika - Pon 29 Mar, 2010 20:20 jak dla mnie jego dziewictwo jest typową oznaką silnego charakteru... Alicja - Pon 29 Mar, 2010 20:42
jeśli chodzi o to - nie musiał zbytnio oszczędzać, nie zużywa się
spin_girl - Pon 29 Mar, 2010 21:04
Odejdę na chwilę od tematu. Jestem w tej chwili przy scenie przyjęcia u Thorntonów i po raz pierwszy zauważyłam, że wszystkie panie mają bardzo wyraźne makijaże, szczególnie Fanny. Czy to możliwe, że w tamtych czasach kobiety jednak się trochę malowały na imprezy, czy po prostu styliści filmowi nie wytrzymali i poszaleli z cieniami do powiek i różem? Sofijufka - Pon 29 Mar, 2010 21:21 Powybierałam trochę informacji: During the Victorian Era, looks truly could kill. Lipstick would quite likely contain mercury, eyeshadow was made of lead, and eyes sparkled due to deadly nightshade powder. Unlike modern life, Victorian social life was mostly carried out by women from their mid-thirties to about seventy. Not that there wasn't a mating dance going on beneath this, but the real game was how many points you could score once you were married. Therefore, Victorian weddings were quite small, but anniversaries lavish, fashions and jewelry for the under-30 set modest, and those for ladies "of a certain age" over-the-top. Wearing any color at all on your face, like dying your hair, was a frank admission of age, and as such, one of the most controversial issues for women around. It's interesting to note that at least initially, it was the more conservative women who weighed in on the affirmative....morbid whiteness was more a Romantic-era look, while young women, especially those of a scientific, progressive, bent, aspired to a healthy peaches and cream, with perhaps just a touch of sun. "It's deplorable, I know, but...in the field, can't help it, I'm afraid..." "Do tell."says the Old Dowager, (who looks a lot like the Queen of Hearts), and sips her tea. The three major kinds of cosmetics used in the 19th century were paints, skincare, and tinting. Painting was achieved with colors very much like the stage makeup of today, and as such, were not very subtle. Mostly made with bees' wax and muttonfat, they came mostly in white, red, black and blue opaques, and if not applied properly, tended to make the wearer look much like Heath Ledger's Joker or some of Boy George's more unfortunate attempts -- etiquette books cautioned against "the mummy look". Cosmetic pigments were the same as for an oil painting: zinc, lead, lampblack, cocheneal, ultramarine, and Prussian blue and the old favorites, ochre and other colored earths. Many of these were actively poisonous, and caused everything from rashes to miscarriages for the wearer -- many actresses of the time, wary of such problems, shunned any makeup but what they'd made themselves. Eye makeup was almost unknown, other than kohl, India ink, and 'maquillage': a form of mascara made from heavy gum, that had to be warmed over a spirit lamp and left tell-tale beads on the ends of the lashes. Skincare was paramount, especially in the dirty cities: some women smeared their faces with spermaceti mixed with lemon juice, and some, from a similar background, swore by washed and perfumed lard. Skin tonics were extremely popular, made by infusing vinegar with various herbal concoctions and diluting with spring water. (Cucumber lotion, anyone?) Everyone had their favorite facepack: egg white, with brandy, for oily skin, egg yolk, with almond paste, to moisturize. Soap firms were always warring to get the formula just right: would you like an 'antiseptic' soap (which may be drying) or a milder than May castile? Breakouts were ministered to by any number of home and proprietary remedies, some of which are still used in various forms, and as for aging, well, it was this era that developed "hope in a jar", with over-the-top advertising claiming that use of this product, and this product alone, was the true "fountain of youth"! While painting the skin was mostly frowned upon, tinting and powdering were nigh-on universal. Schnouda was one of the most interesting discoveries of the era, and is still used today: now sold as "mood lipstick" and the like, it's a combination of chemicals that react with the urea in the skin to make a (mildly carcinogenic) reddish dye. Staining the skin with strawberry, or beet juice was not as nifty, but more generally practiced: anything that could make a vaguely reddish stain on the skin (some experts recommended a piece of red velvet for an applicator) for more than a few minutes was prized. Otherwise, it was "pinch your cheeks, bite your lips", before you went into a room. The no-paint taboo also made for a crucial innovation: Rachelle, a Jewish perfumer in Paris, invented the first skin-toned powder by varying plain talc with ochre and reddish pigments -- 'Rachelle' was for many years, a codeword in the cosmetics trade for a 'darker' skin toned cream or powder. Pearl powder, made from anything from actual ground pearls to oyster shells, to what-have-you, was also very popular, although the iridescence tended to turn some men off, on the other hand, many women made do by simply grinding and sifting rice or cornstarch. Women in the 19th century liked to be thought of as fragile ladies. They compared themselves to delicate flowers and emphasised their delicacy and femininity. They aimed always to look pale and interesting. Paleness could be induced by drinking vinegar and avoiding fresh air. Sometimes ladies discreetly used a little rouge on the cheeks, but make-up was frowned upon in general especially during the 1870s when social etiquette became more rigid. Actresses however were allowed to use make up and famous beauties such as Sarah Bernhardt and Lillie Langtry famous beauties of the 1880s could be powdered. Most cosmetic products available were still either chemically dubious, or found in the kitchen amid food colourings, berries and beetroot. A pale skin was a mark of gentility. It meant that a lady could afford to not work outdoors getting suntanned which was then considered vulgar and coarse. Continuous work in sun and harsh weather coarsened the skin then, as it does now. Parasols were de rigueur and used to protect the complexion. Rooms were shuttered with dark heavy velvet curtains to keep out the sun's rays. Some effort was made keep the décolleté neckline in good condition as it was often exposed in evening dress. Fine blue lines would be painted on the skin to increase the appearance of delicate translucent skin showing veins. The Victorian era saw a number of advances in cosmetics and beauty products. By the nineteenth century, zinc oxide became widely used as a facial powder, replacing the more deadly mixture of the past. However, Victorians unknowingly continued to use other poisonous substances for eyeshadow (lead and antimony sulfide), lip reddeners (mercuric sulfide), and powder to make one's eyes sparkle (belladonna, or deadly nightshade). At the same time, Queen Victoria's commitment to strict morals and modesty among women created a backlash against cosmetics. During the Victorian era, cosmetics were considered the devil's making, associated with prostitutes and women of questionable morals. When makeup regained acceptance in the late 19th century, it was with natural tones so that the healthy, pink-cheeked look could be achieved without giving in to the moral decadence of full makeup, which was still seen as sinful. The dawn of the Industrial Age, however, changed everything. By the Edwardian era, cosmetics again became a commercial industry. Anti-perspirants and deodorants first appeared in the 1890s, with aluminum chloride as the active ingredient. Through mass publishing made possible by advances in printing, the cosmetics industry saw a substantial growth at the turn of the century Just imagine yourself, a little girl, growing up in the Victorian Era. You enjoy watching Mother as she sits at her vanity in front of the mirror. Her hands delicately reach for the cameo she will pin to the collar of her dress. She throws you a soft smile through the mirror as she notices you quietly watching her brush her hair, wrapping it up into a bun on the back of her head. You creep softly to her side smelling the sweet savor of perfume and powder. Just as she places the powder puff back onto the vanity her genteel ivory face turns smiling ever so softly and takes you into her arms. What was considered beauty in the day of a Victorian lady? What, if any, did she wear as make-up? Here are a few answers to those questions. Well to start; A woman washed her hair at least more than several times a year; at most once or twice a month. I know that is hard to believe. But it is true, just the same. The sleek, shiny look was more the fashion of the 1800's. Many ladies put oil in their hair to style it then later removed it with a towel. Bathing also was known to happen far less than today. A few may have taken a bath more than once a week. But once a week was more than sufficient for a Victorian. They most generally bathed on Saturday nights, the night before church. Almond meal was used for washing the neck and hands to make them very creamy. Perfumes, calognes and powders were also worn, often. It was common that most respectful upperclass ladies of society did not wear make-up. However for some married women rice powder was worn on the face and a lightly tinted salve was worn on the lips. The colors used were generally very light. Some women used candle soot for eyeliner. But most make-up, if any, was worn by married women and in moderation. To women who were not "high society" ladies, make-up and hair dyes were made available. Rouge was sold for cheeks and lips. The colors were in reds and corals. Mascara was usually made from the melted black wax of candles and applied very carefully to lashes with a needle. It was universal that women wore there hair long. Only poor women, who had sold their hair for money, had short hair. Only young girls wore their hair down or in braids. Ladies of age wore their hair up in a bun upon the back of their head; not on top and not too close to the base of their head. And when going out they almost always wore a bonnet or hat. Other accessories worn by ladies were chosen carefully. Reticules were small purses or bags that was worn in the pocket. Sometimes the reticule was elaborately embroidered or even beaded. Glasses were not worn by women often. However, there were glasses, a lorgnette, a pair of lenses with a folding handle, that some elderly women used. There was, even, etiquette with wearing jewelry. It was improper to wear so much jewelry during the day no matter who you were. For daytime wear a brooch or cameo was worn at the collar of a ladies blouse or dress. Lockets or small earrings could be worn for daytime wear. For evening wear ladies wore bracelets, necklaces, earrings and, on some occassions, tiaras. A little girl cherishes her mothers soft ways, her genteel appearance, her meek tone, her gleaming smile, her proper manners, her selflessness and her inner beauty. Sitting at the foot of Mother's vanity reminds me of my own fantasy of growing up to be just like her. Here is a fragment from An Old Fashioned Girl by Louisa M. Alcott, the writer of Little Women. I would not recommend it for reading since it’s quite full of Victorian morals for young girls and therefore quite boring, but it does have some good bits. ————————————————————————————————— Maud went; and as soon as the door was shut Tom rose on his elbow, saying, in a cautiously lowered voice: “Fan, does Trix paint?” “Yes, and draws too,” answered Fanny, with a sly laugh. “Come, you know what I mean; I’ve a right to ask and you ought to tell,” said Tom, soberly, for he was beginning to find that being engaged was not unmitigated bliss. “What makes you think she does?” “Well, between ourselves,” said Tom, looking a little sheepish, but anxious to set his mind at rest, “she never will let me kiss her on her cheek, nothing but an unsatisfactory peck at her lips. Then the other day, as I took a bit of heliotrope out of a vase to put in my button-hole, I whisked a drop of water into her face; I was going to wipe it off, but she pushed my hand away, and ran to the glass where she carefully dabbed it dry, and came back with one cheek redder than the other. I didn’t say anything, but I had my suspicions. Come now, does she?” “Yes, she does; but don’t say a word to her, for she’ll never forgive my telling if she knew it.” “I don’t care for that; I don’t like it, and I won’t have it,” said Tom, decidedly. “You can’t help yourself. Half the girls do it, either paint or powder, darken their lashes with burnt hair- pins, and take cologne on lumps of sugar or belladona to make their eyes bright. Clara tried arsenic for her complexion, but her mother stopped it,” said Fanny, betraying the secrets of the prison-house in the basest manner. “I knew you girls were a set of humbugs, and very pretty ones, too, some of you, but I can’t say I like to see you painted up like a lot of actresses,” said Tom, with an air of disgust. “I don’t do anything of the sort, or need it, but Trix does; and having chosen her, you must abide your choice, for better or worse.” Sofijufka - Pon 29 Mar, 2010 21:34 ale podejrzewam, że Fanny - jako osóbka próżna - mogła użyc dyskretnie bielidło, może poszczypała policzki przed wyjściem do gości - ale to wszystko.... Co innego mężatki spin_girl - Pon 29 Mar, 2010 22:08 Wow, dzięki! Superciekawe. Muszę znaleźć jakieś fajne książki na ten temat. Czytałaś już książkę p. Lisek? Sofijufka - Pon 29 Mar, 2010 22:14 nieeeee Tamara - Wto 30 Mar, 2010 20:23
Masz na myśli "Kobieta , miłość , małżeństwo w XIX wieku" Agnieszki Lisak ? Moim zdaniem jest trochę jednostronna 
To , że wszystkie były wymalowane nie znaczy , ze były wymalowane w rzeczywistości tzn. w XIXw. , na planie bez makijażu były by w ogóle niewidoczne i bez wyrazu , więc trudno rzec czy to była tylko charakteryzacja , czy również zamierzony zabieg
Posiadanie silnego charakteru nie jest absolutnie żadnym dowodem na bycie dziewicą ; a co do wizyt u Wesołej Sally i ew. kosztu w świetle wspomnianej oszczędności Jaśka - myślę , że pod wrażeniem jego osobowości oczarowana Madame zapewniała mu serwis najwyższej jakości w symbolicznej cenie , jeżeli w ogóle nie gratis jako że mógł np. ściągnąć zamożnych klientów przybywających do Milton w interesach , przecież gdzieś musieli się z dala od domu zabawić , czyż nie  ?
kazika - Wto 06 Kwi, 2010 11:54 gdyby biegał do takich przybytków toby się tak nie podkręcał przy Margaret na sam jej widok nadgarstka... nie mówiąc o ostatniej scenie książkowej:) Anonymous - Wto 06 Kwi, 2010 12:00 dzięki za argument. Świetny! to o czym piszesz to syndrom odstawienia. Wszystko kojarzy Ci się z czymś z czego rezygnujesz dobrowolnie lub z przymusu.... czyli John wpierw musiał zakosztować... a w tym temacie nie chodzi o dysputę ile razy w tygodniu John odwiedział przybytek uciech czy zaspokajał swe libido. Bo nam wystarczy jeden raz w ciągu trzydziestu lat życia... włala 
kazika - Wto 06 Kwi, 2010 12:24 hmmmm ciekawa teoria:) wręcz śmiała:) żeby wyobrażać sobie o kimś, czy z kimś różne takie o które posądzany jest niejaki John T, nie trzeba tego skosztować:) pisałam o nieśmiałości, nie sądziłam, że nieśmiałość jest dowodem doświadczenia seksualnego... następnym razem jak facet się zaczerwieni na widok jakiejś panny od razu będę wiedziała, że jest obryty w temacie
Anonymous - Wto 06 Kwi, 2010 12:27
obecnie faktycznie nie... jest internet, telewizja, literatura. Seks jest wszędzie... nawet moja siostrzenica nie miała za bardzo bocianiego okresu.... bo gry typu The sims też Cię uświadamiają... Ale wtedy? Jak kojarzyć sobie coś o czym się nie ma pojęcia i się nie próbowało? kazika - Wto 06 Kwi, 2010 12:42 internet, tv, literatura, pokarzą tylko techniczne wykonanie... a wiemy wszystkie (chyba), że nie trzeba być obeznanym w temacie, żeby sobie dać radę za pierwszym razem:) można się jarać na czyjś widok będąc dziewicą lub dziewicem:) |
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