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Seriale - Moje serce ma gęsią skórkę, czyli randka numer 14
BeeMeR - Sob 03 Mar, 2018 07:44 Ja zaś skończyłam (przewijać) Black 12 - jak dla mnie za dużo kryminału i gadania, szczególnie w kibelkach a za mało fantastyki i kosiarzy. Są Bardzo ciekawe motywy i sceny ale sporo takich, które mnie nudzą.
Wątek ew. romansu do mnie nie trafia - niestety, upatruję w tym winę na poły postaci na poły Go Ary - ale o tym już pisałam. Black za to jest ciekawy i dobrze zagrany
A tu jeszcze interesujący tatuaż u "aktora"
Trzykrotka - Sob 03 Mar, 2018 15:17 Ta GoAra nie wydawała mi się dotąd aż tak kiepską aktorką. Rola jej nie spasowała? Źle ją poprowadzili?
Obejrzałam pierwszy odcinek Ajummy od zagadek Bardzo ucieszny, aż się zastanawiam, czy ne za bardzo. Ale i ja mam nadzieję, ze trafią we właściwy ton z czasem. Fajnie widzieć tych samych aktorów nawet w pomniejszych rolach BeeMeR - Sob 03 Mar, 2018 15:31 Myślę, że po pierwsze pomysł na postać jest niedopracowany, albo Go Ara go nie dźwignęła. Niby wszystko ok, ale ja teraz cały czas mam wrażenie, że Black opiekuje się młodszą, głupawą siostrą - podejrzewam jednak, że chyba nie o to chodziło
Skip Beat - ojej, głupiutkie to jak BBF a może nawet bardziej
Mam za sobą dwa odcinki - panna za złamanym sercem próbuje wejść do show biznesu - najpierw przebierając się za tirówkę, a potem biorąc udział w absurdalnym przesłuchaniu
Siwon dalej och-ach, scena akcji filmowej była cudna
Niektórych tekstów nie rozumiem, przyznaję Admete - Sob 03 Mar, 2018 17:12 Według mnie to wina aktorki - ona po prostu grac nie umie. Na dziś mam dwa odcinki Unnatural i chyba znalazłam jeszcze jeden japoński serial - tym razem o prywatnym ochroniarzu. Jak widać szukam sensacji Aragonte - Sob 03 Mar, 2018 21:12 Tak tylko napiszę z doskoku, że mam przeczytane spoilery Hwayugowe i sporo udało mi się przewidziec (słodki początek i taaakie widoki
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i mnóstwo angstu w końcówce), ale nadal się nieco obawiam zakończenia, bo są one słabszą stroną wielu dram
Siostry Hong, pięknie proszę... nie zróbcie kęsim biednym widzom
Admete mnie pociesza, że to nie scenarzystka GG i Blacka - no, tamtej by nie wyszedł tak udany wątek romansowy ale zakończenie na pewno byłoby wtedy dobijające.
Na pewno wariant z reinkarnacją mnie odstrasza
Tu post z Tumblra na ten temat, zasadniczo się z nim zgadzam:
http://riya-in-the-valley...r-reincarnating
To ja dalej potrzymam kciuki za jutrzejszy finał Hwayugi
I jak wrócę do domu z 19. odcinkiem (Admete ), to pewnie zrobię sobie seans saute, bez napisów. Za to z chusteczkami na podorędziu, bo niestety mogą się przydać Admete - Nie 04 Mar, 2018 07:27 No i jak obejrzałaś? Na razie sosu nadal nie ma.Aragonte - Nie 04 Mar, 2018 07:44 Sosu nie ma, ale recap na DB juz jest.
Podejrzalam spora czesc. Efekty specjalne mocno takie se (przydalaby sie preprodukcja ), ale wazne sceny sa zagrane bardzo dobrze.
i smutno mi bardzo BeeMeR - Nie 04 Mar, 2018 11:04 Ja zaś obejrzałam Skip Beat 3-4
Poziom jest wyjątkowo męcząco-odpoczynkowy, na zmianę
latające duszki (vqrwy ) są irytujące,
japońskie korzenie ewidentne.
Siwon awansował do roli "wujka-dobra-rada" z możliwością dalszego awansu, skoro tak ładnie nosi na rękach, opatruje stopę itd
Sos do 4. odc. jest maksymalnie rozjechany - co prezerwa reklamowa to inaczej się wszystko przesuwa
Na końcu każdego odcinka dorzucono "jak robili" - fajny pomysł Admete - Nie 04 Mar, 2018 14:25 A ja zaczęłam Bodyguard - fajne Zauważyłam, że Japończycy robią sporo takich seriali, które wyglądają na całkiem realistyczne - bez przesady w wydarzeniach i emocjach.Aragonte - Nie 04 Mar, 2018 15:06 Hwayugi finał... SPOILERY!
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Jestem wkurzona, rozczarowana i przygnębiona. Mam za swoje - po co było mi oglądac dramę ongoing, z niewiadomym finałem? Zaangażowałam się i teraz czuję się oszukana jako widz, bo siostry Hong chciały byc chyba oryginalne i poszły w f...ng open ending a pół odcinka zapełniły reminiscencjami i motywem amnezji
To, co jest ostatnią sceną, przeniosłabym do środka i dałabym szansę OTP na coś więcej niż na pożegnanie na Namsan Tower
W obecnej wersji przydałby się drugi sezon - a przecież nie ma go w planach i nie ma co na niego liczyc
A niech was licho, siostry Hong Od czasu Moon Lovers nie obudziły się we mnie takie mordercze uczucia
No do chyba zakończenie dla mnie nie istnieje, podobnie jak finał Blacka (choc tamten był bardziej durny, IMHO, ten jest dla mnie zwyczajnie rozczarowujący). Nawet nie wiem, czy obejrzę ten ostatni odcinek - jak ML
A chciałam DVD kupic - no to teraz już nie kupię, nie warto
Aragonte - Nie 04 Mar, 2018 16:25 I wrażenia z Soompi po finale (staram się nie spoilerowac, tj. spoileruję tylko prywatnymi kanałami, esmesowo:
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Not the worst ending - but I am angry....
So for our couple - there is at least a bit hope left - but not enough to be okay with it.
For PK and BJ - what the Hell
for MW and his Son - he found him but he will never tell him ??? Not happy too
There is not one happy person left. MW lost his Love but found at least his son but must keep it a secret. PK must handle that the octopus prince ( princess) died for him - he could not rescue BJ and in the end he must set ASJ on Fire...
Winter God los his Sister and so on...
What in all the world happen...
and why is the last episode so rushed...
The Sisters used an hour to let us suffer with OG - and just the last minute to give a bit hope. That is so wrong. I am ANGRY!!!!!!
Seriously .... did they hv a writer's block and that was d best ending they could think of!! I cant understand WHY ? Why ruin a good drama witn such an ending
Seriously I waste my times and energy for this kind of ending... I'am mad... I'm angry... Who does know the socmed of HongSisters???? I wanna protest them... They should really fix their mess... Seriously what kind of ending is this??????????????
I am really shocked. What is that kind of an ending? I watched sooo many dramas and was never so disappointed like that. I will think twice before watching a Hong Sisters drama. They really messed it up. It started sooo good and was sometimes confusing. The actors made it so well, that you couldn't stop watching it. And at the end it was just that?? We get just that kind of ending? I think here are better endings written by us. They should have let us write it.I am really sad and angry. I had really hope that they get a happy ending after so much sadness.
Next time hong sisters dont try to cast a star studded and talented actors/actress when u cant utilize them well with your story telling .
No KISS in the last episode? Seriously Hong sisters?! No wedding after constantly teasing us with it? No babies after teasing us with SOG-JSM's kid from the future? WTF is wrong with you two?!
can we re-invigorate ASN and have her raise another dragon and kindly direct it towards the writers?
i can't believe 2 FEMALE writers completely throw our heroine by the wayside just like that. what, did you pay OYS by the hour and got over budgeted or something??
I dont even know what to say right now. I feel like if they had ended it at episode 19, it would have been sad, but better in my book. This ending is like someone fell asleep in the middle of doing their home work, woke up in the morning and had to turn it in the way that is was.
Watching Hong sister drama with this kind of ending just remind me of the time when I watched Big. The ending was just hmm.. how to say in a word. I am happy it wasn't sad ending, but at the same time I felt betrayed.:tongue: Just like this one.
I am happy to know that, well, at least SOG is a deity that can go to wherever he wants like land of the dead and find SunMi there. so, definitely not a dead end for their story, but, if he could go there, I think the writer should make him go there instead of going to that amnesia plot. But then, Land of the dead definitely needs a CGI right? haha..
I think right now, I'm just waiting for excellent writers from you guys to give me an excellent fan fiction about Oh Gong saving SunMi in LOTD. I don't mind with explicit content.
I will never get over how amazing this otp is but that ending scare me away from watching any kdramas again cos any moment will remind me of 503 couple and their chemistry
hong sisters you are absolutely on my blacklist
The ending ruin everything. All best things in this drama getting ruin by the ending. How could they gave that open ending without anyone accept it. Worse ever, omo my head, my heart where can i find the medicine to make this right
Haiz. To be fair they DID foreshadow this so I don't think it's a throwaway decision to end like that. And to have 50% of the last episode be filled with flashbacks is not unheard of- they probably just ran out of time and spent all the effort on Episode 19. But it is a meh ending- even SOG being cute doesn't cut it. It felt a little like DoTS where the ending was like ???!!! Oh they're trying to be cute but seriously I wanted a proper ending!!
I keep ranting and wanna throwing my tantrum now... Seriously what are you doing now Hong Sisters??????? Do you have block writing???? Till you write this kind of ending??? If you don't have planning to make season 2 nor the movie version, don't ruin this casts' energy and talents?????
What the HELLL?!?!?!?!?!!??!?!?!
My heart feels so hurts... Hard to breath because I'm so mad... And I dunno how to explain this feeling in words... because maybe my words can be so cruel and harsh
Tbh im glad they didnt go the reincarnation route. The ending is not the worst but it gives u a bad aftertaste about the drama .
The last episode is the actually the start of SOG journey lmao . [Jasne, ale ja bym chciała to obejrzec - Ar. ]
I think what hurts the most is the potential of a great drama wasted at just the last second. What happened to the hong sisters where they drunk and depressed while writing the ending, and they wanted everyone to accompany they during their misery? So much WTFudge just happened during this last episode I have not even watched it (don't plan too either, at this point, so glad I read the recap before venturing) but my mind is blown.
I normally hold myself back SO, SO HARD from shipping the actors coz they're real people with real feelings. I was just gonna be satisfied with the ending no matter how painful it is BUTTTTTTTTT NOW I NEED LSG AND OYS TO DATE, NO GET MARRIED AND HAVE A HAPPILY EVER AFTER TO GET OVER THIS ENDING. THANK YOU HONG SISTERS FOR THE BEST DRAMA EVER WITH THE EVEN WORST ENDING EVER. YOU GUYS ARE SO ON MY BLACKLIST. MY DEPRESSION GOT 9888798913487942374812871% WORSE NOW THANKS TO YOU.
But seriously though, please get married?
The ending srsly begs for second season but we know alrdy its almost impossible
I feel you cos i feel so suffocated right now
i put all my feelings for this couple but they trampled it with super lazy writing
Sunmi life ended in vain still with no rewards or appreciation stranded in land of dead
where is this saying by the grandma "fate can be changed"
Hong sisters must be high on drugs while writing ep 20 script
Okay they seriously throw all my hopes from this drama... FINE.... DONE... I will not buy anything then... Finished with Hong Sisters... They are just good to ruin good project to be trash...
at the very.. very least they could have shown OG finding JSM in the after world, grab her hand, while the guards of then under world in front of them, the OG smile mischiviously, ready to fight... End.
thats somewhat an open ending not like this..
p.s
I threw my phone after watching the ending, poor phone... thank God it didn't broke. sigh..
I am still in a denial.. what the heck is the ending!! Come on Hong sisters!! just few minutes scenes of our OTP together.. Really not satisfied with the ending.. If before I am so sad over the ending of black and goblin..but this is even worse.. At least in Black n Goblin the OTP were together in the last scene!! Poor OYS & LSG..they are great actor&actress.. I pity OYS much, she got much hate because of how the write up her character! Now they end her character just like that..why?! I will take EP18 my last episode!!
In end Hong sisters gave us a korean version of Greek mythology of lyra ...
gosh why? really why? i'm so mad [Faktycznie była aluzja do mitu o Orfeuszu i Eurydyce, kiedy SOG pokazywał JSM gwiazdy, niech to szlag - Ar.]
Okay.. TvN already know that peopel asked for happy ending... There's 89 percent but then 11 percent maybe Hong Sisters people who wanna spoiled that we can not get what we want......
Seriously I know thats SOG is deity now and he free to drink alchohol now, and then he bring all his items and wanna go to dead land??? What the point is that??????
Why you waste Lee Seung Gi and Oh Yeon Seo acting to be trash like that??????? I hate you Hong Sisters..... I hope one of their people or Hong Sisters themselves read this forum, so they know how bad their writing...
I will never look your project anymore
Should I be more sensitive and overreact over the ending? :lol: It's a drama for god's sake...aka not real. At least it wasn't a sad ending. It was lazy writing, but at least they didn't make it sad...I'm a bit dissappointed as well, but what can you do other than accept it? Plus, no one ever said the baby was their baby...
The lazy writing broke everyone hearts
Honestly, the underlining of the ending isn't bad at all. I wouldn't say it's a complete open ending, since it's hinting that SOG will definitely find SM and they'll become deities or whatever together. There's usually a bittersweetness to the ending itself when it's left open, but I think the bittersweetness doesn't lie in the ending of a fictional piece of work this time, but in the reality that it didn't live up to expectations. It's not the ending that's bittersweet, it's the audience that feels bittersweet about it, if that makes sense. I guess what i'm saying is, everyone needs to calm down, and then see the hope in the ending.
Yeah it would have been awesome to see actually, I think thats one of the bigger reasons people are disappointed
Just read the recap and feeling really let down. The series started really well and was so promising... but the ending really tanked.
Seems like 20th episode is just dragging on for no reason at all. What's the purpose of JSM dying, SOG losing memories and JSM coming back for one day? The ending really had no meaning at all.
I don't hate the Hong sisters. In fact it's their writing that brought to life the characters of SOG, MW, JSM, etc.
This is reel life and a form of escapism for some of us from the real world. It's not really "life" and so to have an opening ending is really uncool. Already life is not easy, being in school can be tough, working life can be awful. Sometimes we face so many ambiguities and so many tough scenarios. So I don't need my dramas to be ambiguous. As a viewer I prefer one ending or another. Open endings are terrible and esp reflects poorly on the writers when there's absolutely no reason to have an open ending. You end up pleasing no one and at best people are just neutral to it.
So writers, you did a good job but it could've been much better. Too many loopholes and unanswered questions. Please don't rush through the script writing, you are wasting a stellar cast with great chemistry and viewers' emotions.
In the future...I won't watch another Hong Sister dramas until it's completed. It's to much time to invest in a drama that leaves me wondering what the point was... Goblin was the same.
Oh Yeon Seo once again betrayed by a drama ending :bawling:
I remember her sobbing so hard on the wrap up party of SOGC cos she was only told that they wefe shooting a hug reunion scene but when she watched the real ep, it became a reunion in the after life.
gah... ep19 is the ending. That's it..
ep 20 writing is just sloppy and beyond lazy
Briseis [która ładnie komentuje Hwayugi na Tumblrze]: I refuse to analyze the last episode because, frankly, there is no way anyone could make sense of this mess. I’m afraid my brain could explode from trying.
In the last few episodes, the Hong Sisters pretty much threw logic completely out of the window so at this point they could have Jesus snowboarding down a rainbow and I wouldn’t question any of it, as long as the OTP finally got the happiness they deserve. There were so many ways to end it but they gave us that unsatisfying open ending?!
I totally feel the same! I've been racking my brain thinking and analyzing for the past 19 episodes, and now I feel somewhat cheated because of the end. That's it?! It's just as if the writers just want to twist the knife because they can. I get it that on paper, it would seem quite fitting; bittersweet yet, but also somewhat understandable. BUT they should have made good of their promises of a happy ending!
What's with the amnesia? So they wanted to echo the beginning of the story; when SOG bailed on SM by taking her memory of his name, now he's suffering with his memories not intact. When he was first imprisoned because he saved the world only to brag about it (from MW'S story) to now saving the world to fulfil his lovers final wish and imprisoning himself out of his own choice.
It's good that SM now knows about his feelings, but it truly feels so anticlimatic. Why such a big build-up, when in the end she realises it is so right before she disappears forever? There's really no closure for her. So in the end, she suffers for years and years, found the greatest love of her life, fulfils her duty, die, and spent the last day on earth with her lover who doesn't even remember her, found out he did love her right before disappearing, then now will just wait for him to come find her. What??? Seriously writer??
There's so many faults and holes I could find, they don't make sense, they just reek of lazy writing. To be honest, no one likes other endings except for happy endings. But if you're going for the bad endings anyway, there's certainly much better ways to do it. Fullstop!
I'm mad, I'm sad and I'm totally bummed.:bawling:
yesss!! the ending was just too Richard Simmons lazy.. or at least like @miramara suggested, JSM could have whisper OG name, and I am sure there are many other more satifying ways.
I am so furious and disappointed with the Hong Sisters! Come on now! You gave us so many hints of a real wedding for our OTP but you give us separation at the end! I had lack of sleep every weekend because of this drama. You two will need to pay for my lack of sleep and addiction to this! No need to release the DVD because I'm not buying it! This is not cool!
No mercy for you writers anymore!
I do get and appreciate that the ending stays true to SOG's character and the setup of 503 couple to fight together and obviously on their way to being deities. But at least they should've made an effort to show partly of it? I dont even mind if they made something as bad as the CG black dragon. Something like SOG came to underworld with shitty cave graphics and met eyes with SJ and gave assuring nods to each other lol [no właśnie - zmarnowali mnóstwo czasu na wtórne pomysły z amnezją i reminiscencje, a dali tylko minutę czy pół na otwarcie pomysłu walki Oh Gonga o wyciągnięcie JSM z świata zmarłych, a to można było rozwinąc nieco i dac widzom większą, że OTP mimo wszystko będzie razem. No i trochę to osłodzic - to w końcu baśń, richard simmons Ja szukam w dramach eskapizmu, pocieszenia, a nie realizmu, więc po cholerę mi taki niedorobiony finał? Wrrr! - Ar.]
Hello Chingus,
I stopped watching this show on episode 4 bc I was starting to feel super attched to the OTP and somehow it felt like Another Goblin was on the way... Goblins ending completely devastated me, Im still not over it and decided to marathon Hwayugi after it ended just in case.. NOW thats never gonna happen and Im so glad I did so.
I really feel for all of you guys who have been following this live. It does feel like an insult to end things in such a lame way. I really think these dramas should be pre produced to deliver prpper quality and avoid poor and rushed eriting, especially at the end. It is not fair on the actors who work so hard and in the audience who stays loyal and unconditional until the end. I learnt my lesson with Goblin, in my opinion kdrama cant be watched live, your heart may be shattered...
Strasznie dużo emocji w tym, wiem, ale w dużym stopniu je rozumiem.
O matko, pół wątku z Soompi tu przekleiłam - w każdym razie takie to robi wrażenie Sori!
O, Briseis ujęła bardzo ładnie to, co sama myślę:
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The moment featuring Son Oh Gong heading off to hell to get his Seon Mi back is awesome but not for a conclusion. That’s something that should have happened in the first half of the episode which should have started with that goodbye on Namsan. What was the point of that pointless and ilogical amnesia plot?! Nothing it only killed 60 minutes of the episode - 60 minutes that ended up being a complete filler instead of giving answers and closure. The final episode was all over the place and anticlimatic.
Such an ending would be appropriate if there was going to be an epilogue, a movie or a second season but there won’t be so it feels incomplete and unsatisfying. The viewer doesn’t doubt that OG will get SM back since he is a deity now and can meddle with the fate of humans and no god can really compare to his powers. However, the point of watching 20 episodes of drama is because you expect a closure which unfortunately didn’t happen. It’s not the worst ending ever but one of the most unsatisfying definitely.
I odpowiedź na to:
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Yupp, Hwayugi The movie will be great ahahahha, but i don't think about hong sister will make hwayugi into a big screen LOL, son oh gong become immortal / deity because he erase his name in the death-life book, so he won't die or reincarnated, but yeah to take sunmi for the land of death is just a piece of cake for him ahahahha
A to - może bez spoilera - jak siostry Hong ponoc same opisały dramę:
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well to be fair to the Hong Sisters, here's the official Hwayugi description byline...
"Using the motif of Journey to the West, Hwayugi is a story about decadent bad boy demon/monster Son Oh Gong and graceful gentle demon/monster Woo Ma Wang searching for light in a dark world." :dizzy:
so its means the main story is not about samjang and oh gong, but oh gong and mawang LOL
So i was mistaken!! Now the ending makes sense... It was not a love story!! Hahaha :tongue:
I jeszcze jeden komentarz, który oddaje moje uczucia i wrażenia:
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So much talking about a wedding - but no real wedding in the end.
Great - a new trauma for me. Yes the Sisters created a few characters I loved so much - not only OG but he of course too (extremly - very much - soooo sure...)
And more then the half story was great - I had no complains. I got what I hoped for so often. OG was not someone you could easily trick. So the trouble became - I had my hopes so high - but somehow it feels like there was a moment the Sisters had trouble to go on with there story and the direction. So ASY was used - but I don´t understand why BJ just needed to dissapear. So many great ideas - but sad but true - for me they messed up with closing the story.
Its the worst case for me - when someone create a story so much for my taste - and in the end.... what the heck.... why????
A te gify chętnie bym wrzuciła bez kołderki, ale za duże chyba, więc idą grzecznie do spoilera
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zooshe - Nie 04 Mar, 2018 17:23 Hwayugi 19
Jak pisałam już Aragonte jestem wkurzona.
Nie tego się spodziewałam. Czyżby siostry Hong za dużo naoglądały się Gry o tron i nie chodzi wcale o smoki.
Jednyna rzecz która mnie pociesza o ile można mówić o pocieszeniu to, że
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to nie Oh Gong zabił Sam Jang, gdyby poszli tym tropem chyba znienawidziłabym dramę
Aragonte - Nie 04 Mar, 2018 17:27 Jak ja cię rozumiem I dołączam się w tym richard simmons nastroju
Pocieszam się (albo raczej podkręcam fujowy nastrój) przeglądając dalej Soompi, na szczęście czasem trafia się coś zabawnego jako komentarz do finału. Jak np. to:
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A to zamierzam zrobic, jeśli dotrę kiedyś do Seulu, ukradnę pomysł, a co
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I'll be travelling to Korea in September, the first place I'll be going to is the Namsan Tower and find that Richard Simmons elephant lock.
And shout SOG's name. And all my frustrations.
Aragonte - Nie 04 Mar, 2018 17:48 O ostatnich scenach - z tłumaczeniem dialogów:
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https://youtu.be/gPYad8PncNM
MW: Have you eaten yet? There is a porridge restaurant right over there.
Grandson: If you’re going to buy me nut porridge, then I’ve already eaten, but if you’re going to buy me beef porridge, then I haven’t eaten yet.
MW: Of course, you’e going to eat nut porridge.
Grandson: I don’t like it.
MW: Then vegetable porridge.
Grandson: I don’t like it.
MW: Why do you have so many things that you don’t like?
Grandson: Then abalone porridge?
MW: I don’t like it!
MW: But, hey, who do you resemble?
Grandson: Well, my grandmother says that I resemble my dad.
MW: Your father must have really been a good looking man.
Grandson: Is that right? I wouldn’t have thought so.
MW: Looking at you, he must have been a good looking man.
Grandson: Hmm. Here it is.
OJ: You’ve come.
MW: What about Son Oh Gong?
OJ: Yes, he said that he was going on a trip, so he’s packed his things and has left.
MW: So, he’s left. Seeing as how he’s packed up his statue to take with him, he must have gone a long way off.
OJ: He said that he’s going to the Next World to escort Jin Seon Mi.
MW: The Next World? The Land of the Dead? That thug, how much trouble does he want to cause in the Land of the Dead…?! Oh, that… (chuckles instead) Okay, you go there, Great Sage Equal to Heaven, Moron!
OG: Wait for me. Whenever you’re tired, scared, or in danger, if you call my name, I will always go and protect you. Since I love you.
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So, this isn't the ending that most of us have hoped for. It really does feel like a bridge ending to a second season, which unfortunately, is pretty unlikely with the same cast and crew. It actually reminds me a bit of the ending of City Hunter with the protagonist having to go off alone. I was not a fan of the ending scene of CH either, btw.
As it is, the fight with the black dragon seems to have emptied OG of everything including his memories, so a large part of the episode is various people, including SM, trying to help OG become himself again. And, then OG finally regains his memories, only to have to say goodbye to his lover once again.
The BGM seems to want to put this as an upbeat ending with OG saying goodbye to his friends before he goes off adventuring to be with SM again. I actually think the only problem with this final episode really may be that it doesn't indicate OG's success in his quest to be with SM again. We just have to take it on faith that since OG is so persistent that he will succeed somehow in being with SM again.
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Mnie to odebrało prawdę mówiąc resztkę nadziei - bo co oznacza tutaj "He said that he’s going to the Next World to escort Jin Seon Mi." Nie wygląda mi to na misję, w której SOG ma ją odzyskac, tylko - eee - zapewnic bezpieczeństwo, odprowadzic do celu?
Załamuję się do reszty tym finałem, serio serio
Wielki Mędrzec Równy Niebu, Son Oh Gong i amnezja, niech to szlag i jasna cholera
O, a coś takiego też mi przyszło do głowy
Spoiler:
The ending like this.. Means that this story actually revolves around SOG n MW instead of SOG n SJ. Lol. And i only realise it like in the last episode?
It feels like they are guilty of the ending that's why they are giving us more intimate scenes in the previous episodes? To give us candy before throwing bittergourds at us. -_-
Komentarz bardziej pocieszycielski (z dedykacją dla Trzykrotki):
Oh no.. with everyone hating on the ending, i think i wanna step out to defend it a little. initially without the subtitles, the ending seemed like a whole mess. But if u really just focus on our OTP scenes.. it tied up a lot of loose ends. Pls pls watch ep 20 with the subtitles.
Why?
Do remember that Seon Mi passed away thinking OG’s love isn’t real, that it was a one-sided love all along with only her loving OG like crazy. With the one last day she had on earth, she could finally receive a sincere love confession from OG, who removed the GGG in front of her eyes.
When OG defeated the dragon, it is said that his body and mind was broken. He lost pieces (memories) of himself, and whenever he recalls these little pieces, he only feels excruciating pain. Because it’s so painful, and because he doesn’t understand why, he chose to shield himself and locks himself up in sereumdong to prevent these pieces from coming back.
But the heavens wrongly thinks the pain is caused by GGG, and decided to call JSM back to earth to remove it. MW knows the pain is not caused by GGG. He knows the owner of GGG has changed, and that owner is OG himself. Because he is the owner of his own heart now.
MW hopes OG can pick up and patch back his own broken pieces, but he knows it is impossible for OG to do it alone. OG himself chose to refuse recalling the pieces, so who else can help him? It is the one and only person causing the pain who can help OG become whole again. MW doesn’t want to tell the heavens this, because if heaven knows, then they wouldn’t call forth JSM from hell.
When SM meets OG again, she is anxious. Her heart breaks thinking that GGG has yet to lose effect, and that Is causing OG to be in pain. In her mind, she just wants to remove GGG asap.
But the OG she is facing now, is feeling confused, empty, experiencing short bouts of pain. The one thing OG cannot figure out, is that even though the memories which came back to him are all supposedly happy memories, why does he feel pain? Why is everyone telling him to remove GGG? Will removing the GGG really remove this pain? Why is this female ghost saying that his love for her is fake, when all the memories he had is him loving her so so much, and it felt so real?
When SM cannot remove the GGG, she became confused. And so is OG.. but with MW egging him on at the final moment, OG finally allows himself to recall her death.. that is when he became whole again.
OG can finally.. do that one thing he really wanted to do. That is to remove GGG in front of SM after defeating the dragon. To proudly show her that his love is real, that her worries were unfounded.
But is it not too late? SM has already passed away, and her one day on earth is ending.. he then rushed to her side, removed the GGG on his own and begged her to ask him anything. And there she received her long awaited answer..
but Seon Mi ya... did you not realise that you have actually heard his heartfelt sincere confession twice? At the exact same location?
I think this scene is heart wrenching, but so so so beautiful. They both can finally see the truth, they have both came to the same understanding, that they have sincerely loved each other.
Of course, rebellious monkey king will never let go of his love just like that. Eventually he is off to fetch his bride in his 99-5050 mercedes. Their initial contract is broken because SM has passed away. He is no longer bound by anything, but he continues to run to her side whenever she calls his name one day again anyway. Why? “Because I love you”
it’s a beautiful ending chinggus so don’t be sad!
Hmpf!
Idę się zmęczyc szybkim marszem, a potem chyba zeżrę coś słodkiego na pociechę.
Miałam nadzieję na miły przedłużony weekend z Hwayugi, a tu chyba będę szukała na gwałt jakiejś filmowej albo dramowej landrynki na pociechę
Moon Lovers finał Blacka a teraz Hwayugi
Nigdy więcej oglądania dram ongoing Never ever.
Mam ochotę na małą amnezję Trzykrotka - Nie 04 Mar, 2018 21:05 Jestem tak wkurzona i zasmucona po 19 odcinku, że naprawdę zastanawiam się, czy oglądać 20. Nie dość, że - no po prostu - jak mogli?! Jak mogli?! to za dużo dziur mi tam zostało, a caly finał w detalach robił wrażenie niedopisanego, albo lekko na kolanie pisanego. Qurrrr^&(*$%#@ Nawet jakiegoś odsumowania nie chce mi się pisać. 3/4 dramy było tak dobre, że rozczarowanie mnie zabija.
Ech BeeMeR - Nie 04 Mar, 2018 21:05
Aragonte napisał/a:
Hwayugi finał... SPOILERY!
No to szkoda.Aragonte - Nie 04 Mar, 2018 21:17
Trzykrotka napisał/a:
Jestem tak wkurzona i zasmucona po 19 odcinku, że naprawdę zastanawiam się, czy oglądać 20. Nie dość, że - no po prostu - jak mogli?! Jak mogli?! to za dużo dziur mi tam zostało, a caly finał w detalach robił wrażenie niedopisanego, albo lekko na kolanie pisanego. Qurrrr^&(*$%#@ Nawet jakiegoś odsumowania nie chce mi się pisać. 3/4 dramy było tak dobre, że rozczarowanie mnie zabija.
Ech
Mam wrażenie, że dwudziestka jest gorsza od dziewiętnastki. Dziewiętnastkę podejrzałam, wzruszyłam się i spłakałam przy niektórych scenach, a czytanie recapu z finału sprawiło tylko, że ciśnienie mi się podniosło i nie zerknęłam na nic poza ostatnią sceną.
Na pohybel siostrom Hong, howgh! Już się umawiam z Zooshe na plotki po-Hwayugowe, podczas których na bank będziemy komentowac pomysły kończenia dramy w taki sposób. I pewnie pic coś mocniejszego.
No i jeszcze to, co wrzucałam w jednym z tych spoilerów - otóż zdaniem sióstr Hong podstawą tej dramy nie był romans, tylko swoista "podróż" Oh Gonga i Ma Wanga - jasssssne
Wrzucałam to już wcześniej, ale powtórzę tu:
Cytat:
well to be fair to the Hong Sisters, here's the official Hwayugi description byline...
"Using the motif of Journey to the West, Hwayugi is a story about decadent bad boy demon/monster Son Oh Gong and graceful gentle demon/monster Woo Ma Wang searching for light in a dark world." :dizzy:
so its means the main story is not about samjang and oh gong, but oh gong and mawang LOL
So i was mistaken!! Now the ending makes sense... It was not a love story!! Hahaha :tongue:
To po cholerę 18 odcinków dramy było tak mocno romansowych? Po co dały taką scenę miłosną, z intymnością, jakiej chyba jeszcze w żadnej dramie nie oglądałam - żeby dowalic fanom i żeby zakończenie bardziej bolało? No nie rozumiem tego i nie akceptuję w żaden sposób, siostry Hong
I po co odmawiac happy endu, skoro w pierwowzorze był?
Przykre jest dla mnie też to, że drama jest naprawdę dobrze zagrana. Chciałabym docenic LSG w roli Oh Gonga do końca, a na razie niestety straciłam zapał i do oglądania tego finału, i do powtórek. Ogółem staram się o przejściową amnezję, póki mi emocje nie opadną
A tak się cieszyłam na wspólne faflunienie z Trzykrotką i analizowanie w szczegółach wiadomej sceny z przełomu 18. i 19. odcinka... Teraz już jakoś nie ma to dla mnie znaczenia Ech. Wszystko mi opadło.Trzykrotka - Nie 04 Mar, 2018 21:39 Nie romans, moja noga! Jak powiedziałby tłumacz Pasty Jeśli to miała być opowieść o Oh Gongu i Ma Wangu, to coś się paniom nie udało. Albo trzeba było sprawy romansowe zakończyć wcześniej, a nie rozciągać ich na 16 odcinków, bo w tylu mniej więcej kochankowie doszli do jakichś wspólnych wniosków, albo mieć w końcówce lepszy pomysł na Ma Wanga, który z super-barwnej, kolorowej postaci zmienił się papierową płaską figurkę. Syn-syn-syn, oraz zdrady przyjaciół i nie dotrzymywanie słowa, a najbardziej snucie się po ekranie w scenach, których mogłaby nie być i nikt nie zauważyłby straty. Niech nie fanzolą po niewczasie.
Co mnie boli najbardziej to to, że kompletnie nieudane zakończenie rzuciło mi cień na całą dramę, którą do niemal końca cieszyłam się jak dziecko.
Jak ochłonę to pewnie napiszę jej pochwałę do 18 odcinka. 19 nie przyjmuję do wiadomości, 20 jeszcze nie oglądałam. Jestem ciężko obrażona i rozczarowana i mam nadzieję, że Hongowe mają teraz nie tylko czkawkę, ale i sraczkę od tego, jak ludzie na nie pomstują
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Scena z przełomy 18 i 19 odcinka była wybitna, pięknie sfilmowana i pomyślana - i mnie także już nie chce się o niej rozmawiać.BeeMeR - Nie 04 Mar, 2018 21:51 Ja jestem po Blacku 14 i gdyby nie to, że romans to to dla odmiany dla mnie nie jest to bym właściwie zakończyła przygodę z dramą na kissu - ale nie takim dziwacznym wallkissu Aragonte - Nie 04 Mar, 2018 21:53
Trzykrotka napisał/a:
Jestem ciężko obrażona i rozczarowana i mam nadzieję, że Hongowe mają teraz nie tylko czkawkę, ale i sraczkę od tego, jak ludzie na nie pomstują
Ughhhhh... też im tego życzę, a rzadko życzę komuś czegoś paskudnego
Wkurzyły mnie naprawdę.
Trzykrotka napisał/a:
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Scena z przełomy 18 i 19 odcinka była wybitna, pięknie sfilmowana i pomyślana - i mnie także już nie chce się o niej rozmawiać.
I tego mi tak strasznie szkoda Taka piękna scena, taka piękna faza...zooshe - Nie 04 Mar, 2018 21:53 Hwarungi - wrażenia na szybko po finale oczywiście spoilery
To co mi się bardzo nie podobało w zakończeniu a co było także słabym punktem Gu Family Book to ogólnie pojęty fatalizm, który prezentują zakończenia obu dram. Podejrzewam, że może to wynikać z różnic kulturowych. Dla mnie myśl, że mój własny los może nie zależeć głównie ode mnie, a jest z góry zaplanowany przez jakieś boskie siły czy przepowiednie jest nie do pomyślenia. Koreańczycy natomiast pewnie nie mają z tym większego problemu biorąc pod uwagę ilość dram z podobnym motywem.
Już nawet nie chcę wnikać we wszystkie reperkusje tzw „nieuniknionego losu„ ale jeśli przyjąć że śmierć Sun Mi była nieunikniona do ocalenia świata to po co karać trudzić się z karaniem winnych przecież nie zrobili nic złego odgrywali tylko swoją z góry przydzieloną rolę. O ileż bardziej wolę historię gdy bohater sam jest kowalem swojego losu a taki Oh Gong naprawdę miał potencjał aby zarówno pokonać demony jak i wykiwać niebiosa to nie. Zrobili z niego głupka.
A ja naiwna myślałam sobie „nie ma czym się przejmować przecież wystarczy że Sun Mi zawoła Oh Gong się pojawi, zrobi rozpierduchę i wszyscy będą happy”. O ja naiwna.
Druga sprawa to niekonsekwencja.
Może to kwesta niekompletnych napisów i czepiam się niepotrzebnie ale po co było to całe gadanie przez ileś odcinków, że to Oh Gong ma być tym, który zabije Sun Mi? Po co niebiosa zadawały sobie tyle trudu z szukaniem i przekazaniem miecza skoro po pierwsze nie został użyty do zabicia Sun Mi ani nie dokonał tego Oh Gong (za co w sumie jestem wdzięczna twórcom, że oszczędzili tego swoim widzom.) Niemniej jednak jest to pewna niekonsekwencja, podobnie jak to że właściwie śmierć Sun Mi nie była jakoś szczególnie potrzebna, smok i tak hulał by sobie po świecie dopóki, ktoś by go nie utłukł nieważne czy Sun Mi by zginęła czy nie.
Z weselszych rzeczy ubawiły mnie portrety na ścianie w domu zułego, które ewidentnie przedstawiały biały ludzi, w tym jeden przedstawiał jakby biskupia i jeszcze wielki obraz konia. Żeby to chociaż jakiś pejzaż był ale nie tylko duzy koń na ciemnym tle. Po co przyszły prezydent Korei miałby wieszać sobie takie obrazy na ścianie nie wiem… Aragonte - Nie 04 Mar, 2018 22:01
BeeMeR napisał/a:
Ja jestem po Blacku 14 i gdyby nie to, że romans to to dla odmiany dla mnie nie jest
Bo to romans zdecydowanie nie jest, mimo wątku jakoś tam miłosnego
Co innego Hwayugi, ughhhh
*idzie się wkurzac gdzies poza forum*
Edit: zerknęłam na YT, na komentarze pod ostatnią sceną dramy - jest ich 642, a filmik wisi od dzisiaj, może od 14.30 naszego czasu. To chyba o czymś świadczy, nie? W każdym razie na pewno o emocjach fanów.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPYad8PncNM
Tłumaczenie dialogów (najważniejszych) - jednak bardziej pocieszające, Trzykrotko, niż to z Soompi (jeśli można gdzieś szukac pocieszenia);
Spoiler:
OJ: You are back?
MW: Where's Son Oh Gong?
OJ: He said he's going for a trip so he packed up and left
Mw: tsk....So he's gone....He even took the statue with him....looks like he went far away.
OJ:......He's going to the underworld.....to take Jin Seon Mi back.
MW: The Underworld?! Hell?
OJ: ....
MW: Hey if the nutjob goes there.....He's going to create havoc in the underworld!!! Aii!~ This guy!!~.........HA..Hahahaha. Hahahahhahhahah!!!!! That's right. Go and do it! The Great Sage! THE NUT JOB!!!~~~
---scene change
OG: Wait for me...When you are in pain, scared or in danger. Call out my name, I will come and protect anytime.....Because I love you.
(OG winks)
(OG puts his sunglasses back)
Trochę tych komentarzy pod kołderką.
Spoiler:
Cytat:
In the end, it's an open ended happy ending I guess? I honestly did not expect him to give Seon Mi one of his eyes. Hopefully, when he takes her back from the underworld, Seon Mi can become immortal because she now have a part of demon within her. The ending sort of followed the original tale of 'Journey to the west' where Son Oh Gong modified the record of life and death in the underworld and created total chaos. Which is how I think Oh Gong will resurrect Seon Mi hahah. To change her 'death' status back to 'alive'. I'm sad that we didn't get to see baby monkey though...... Anyway, I love this drama nevertheless. I hope everyone enjoyed it too!
Edit: I searched online about the original tale and how Son Oh Gong changed the record of life and death. According to the original tale, he can change someone's life span. Therefore, we can assume this is what he will do for Seon Mi. Like literally he can put 10000 and she will live til that long. In that sense, the ending becomes slightly better because we still have the original Seon Mi and not a reincarnation. This also solves the problem about her aging the immortality. But in the end, it still lacked something. They should have atleast showed a scene where they met or something. Oh well......
Cytat:
I have no rights to say this but as a fellow fan whose been watching this for months and waiting every week for new episodes. I would like to say that..
This ending sucks and kinda okay but No that's not the right word. it's UNACCEPTABLE. But still it's an okay ending but it lacks something.
And additional it WOULD BE MORE BETTER if sam jang was reincarnated but not a sam jang just human. Imagine this, SonOhGong is on some big street and was about to cross the road until he saw JSM(jin sun mi) they both looked at each other and was crossing they both walked until they turned around and looked again at eachother. The end. THAT WOULD BE OKAY FOR ME THAT WOULD BE FINE FOR ME NOT THIS. IM NOT FINE WITH THIS ENDING. I WONT EVEM ASK FOR A WEDDING. IM SO NOT OKAY WITH THIS ENDING. NO JUST NO.
This is really unacceptable. But guys we don't have a choice, it's been decided that this is the ending. But I'm not really okay with this. I've had enough of kdramas with these open endings.
I need another kdrama. I'll wait i know that there will be a upcoming kdrama that would help us to move on from this... Disgraceful ending. No hard feelings hong sisters i love u but no this is bad ending. I am disappointed.
But honestly i was actually expecting this as 50/50 chance that the ending of this may be bad or just plain simple ending but still bad.
I was still hoping for a UNIQUE ending more like happy but Guess what? That wouldn't happen. Its a FANTASY KDRAMA. What's not meant to be is not meant to be.
WELP STILL HOPING FOR A SECOND SEASON EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THAT ITS ANOTHER 50/50 CHANCE THAT THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN OR WILL HAPPEN.
Cytat:
ARE YOU JOKING? I WASTED 3 MONTHS FOR THIS SAD ENDING? IT TOOK ME YEARS TO RECOVER OVER THE SAD ENDINGS OF MOONLOVERS SCARLET HEART AND UNCONTROLLABLY FOND- AND NOW YOU GIVE ME THIS?!? WHY ARE THEY NOT TOGETHER WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY??????!!!!
Cytat:
I wasted 3 month for sad ending?? Are you kidding me? 😂
Cytat:
Yep, another shitty ending for a Korean fantasy drama... I'm not even surprised, upset or disappointed. I'm just indifferent. Maybe it's time for me to stop watching fantasy dramas, especially if they're Korean. Hong sisters, never ever watching your dramas again and that's a promise.
Cytat:
the ending is even worser than goblin omg 🌚
Trzykrotka - Nie 04 Mar, 2018 22:34 Nie bójta się, mus siostrzyczki zrobią drugi sezon, który będzie się zaczynał od ostatniej sceny pierwszego!
Zooshe, masz rację w obu sprawach. Zakończenie nie było dobrze przemyślane, było jak nabazgrane na kolanie, kiedy ekipa od efektów specjalnych majstrowała smoka zooshe - Nie 04 Mar, 2018 22:39
Trzykrotka napisał/a:
Nie bójta się, mus siostrzyczki zrobią drugi sezon, który będzie się zaczynał od ostatniej sceny pierwszego!
W takie cuda nie wierze. Aragonte - Nie 04 Mar, 2018 22:41
Trzykrotka napisał/a:
Nie bójta się, mus siostrzyczki zrobią drugi sezon, który będzie się zaczynał od ostatniej sceny pierwszego!
Niestety nie wierzę w cuda A po takim finale Hwayugi to nawet baśnie przestały mnie cieszyc.